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  WT: World War I started in October 1914 (not July 1914)

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the wt, these are the actual sequence of events that led to the start of world war i:.

  1) the gentile times ended on october 1/2, 1914.

  2) jesus took the throne immediately thereafter.. 3) one of jesus' first tasks as the newly enthroned king was to engage in a heavenly war against satan and his demons.. 4) having won the war against satan and his demons, jesus expelled satan and his demons from the heavenly realm giving them only terrestial access.. 5) since satan is a sore loser, he became extremely bitter and decided to wreak havoc upon all the earth.. 6) filled with anger, satan then provoked the nations of the earth into a 4 year bloody battle known today as world war i. so there you have it... wwi started sometime in october of 1914 (not july 1914 as history books would have you believe).

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  Just quoting minimus: Satan was ejected from heaven the latest by March 26, 1918.
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  WT: World War I started in October 1914 (not July 1914)

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the wt, these are the actual sequence of events that led to the start of world war i:.

  1) the gentile times ended on october 1/2, 1914.

  2) jesus took the throne immediately thereafter.. 3) one of jesus' first tasks as the newly enthroned king was to engage in a heavenly war against satan and his demons.. 4) having won the war against satan and his demons, jesus expelled satan and his demons from the heavenly realm giving them only terrestial access.. 5) since satan is a sore loser, he became extremely bitter and decided to wreak havoc upon all the earth.. 6) filled with anger, satan then provoked the nations of the earth into a 4 year bloody battle known today as world war i. so there you have it... wwi started sometime in october of 1914 (not july 1914 as history books would have you believe).

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  4) Having won the war against Satan and his demons, Jesus expelled Satan and his demons from the heavenly realm giving them only terrestial access.

  This supposed fight was not a matter of days or months. Doesn't a captain at the helm always leave last? Satan was thrown out of heaven in 1918.

  In fact, at the very time that Christ Jesus was being enthroned as King of the heavenly kingdom in 1914 (Dan. 7:13, 14), Satan was permitted to enforce a grueling ‘Babylonish-like captivity’ upon the anointed remnant on earth from 1914 to 1919. The Kingdom’s establishment in 1914 immediately brought war between its enthroned King, Christ Jesus, called Michael, and the opposer Satan with his wicked angels. This resulted in Satan’s complete defeat by 1918, when he and his wicked forces were ejected from the heavenly realm to be cast downward into the vicinity of the earth.

  w66 9/15 p. 553 par. 2
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  Did I do a fade without knowing it?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  2. experiences

  seeing that there a few new fade threads, and farkels hard to top one, got me to wondering if i actually faded without realizing it till 14 years later.... rewind to 1998 when i just plum ran out of steam.

  too many years battling my personal demons resulted in a rapid cease function and in the course of a couple of months i went from m/s and the guy most likely to succeed to leaving wife and congregation.

  i passed in asignments, stopped preaching and meetings cold turkey, handed back public talks etc.

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  Aussie Oz >> By your own admission you were DF. How were they able to catch on to your fade? I guess at that point it became clear that it was an act of fading.
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  Just Sharing: I Visited Chuck Taze Russells Gravesite

  by daringhart13 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just nothing more than a 'share'..... i was in pittsburgh on business and took a day off and paid a visit to russells grave.. i haven't stopped laughing since.

  i'm worried i'm going to break ribs.. had i seen this as a young kid/adult.....i surely would have thought "wtf???".

  folks...if you ever needed confirmation this whole thing is a laughable cult......make your way to pittsburgh and see chuck's resting spot.......its worth it just get pictures with his pyramid.. lol.

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  bats in the belfry

  I honestly could NOT stop laughing the entire time

  . . . all the pain, sorrow, tears, . . . anguish, sheer misery, . . . and wasted energies his ideas unleashed upon the puritan part of mankind:

  I just can't bring myself to laugh.
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  Just Sharing: I Visited Chuck Taze Russells Gravesite

  by daringhart13 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just nothing more than a 'share'..... i was in pittsburgh on business and took a day off and paid a visit to russells grave.. i haven't stopped laughing since.

  i'm worried i'm going to break ribs.. had i seen this as a young kid/adult.....i surely would have thought "wtf???".

  folks...if you ever needed confirmation this whole thing is a laughable cult......make your way to pittsburgh and see chuck's resting spot.......its worth it just get pictures with his pyramid.. lol.

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  The Souvenir Convention Report, Pittsburgh, Penn., January 2-5, 1919 had this to say:

  "These monster blocks of pink (Brother Russell’s favorite tint) granite were brought all the way from Granite Mountain Quarries, near Marble Falls City in Texas, upon a special flat car, and are said to be about 95 per cent flint rock."

  Since CTR supposedly never consummated on his marriage vow, then why this pasttime fantasy in a favorite tint of pink?
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  Surgeons urged to avoid transfusions

  by bats in the belfry in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  jw.org | news.

  witness patients often do betterthe sydney morning heraldsurgeons urged to avoid transfusions.

  australia: hospital patients who are jehovahs witnesseswho refuse blood transfusions on religious groundsactually do better than other patients, reports the october 2, 2012, issue of the sydney morning herald.. .

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  JW.ORG | News Witness Patients Often Do Better

  The Sydney Morning Herald Surgeons urged to avoid transfusions

  AUSTRALIA: “Hospital patients who are Jehovah’s Witnesses—who refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds—actually do better than other patients,” reports the October 2, 2012, issue of The Sydney Morning Herald. The report cites Clinical Professor James Isbister from the Sydney Medical School, University of Sydney. “Professor Isbister said Jehovah’s Witnesses were given better treatment by doctors trying to preserve their [the Witness patients’] blood. As a result they had better survival rates, and shorter hospital and intensive care stays than people who received blood transfusions during surgery,” reports the paper. Doctor Isbister’s views are by no means unique. Regarding Witness patients who have cardiac surgery, the July 2, 2012, issue of a journal produced by the American Medical Association says: “Witnesses had fewer acute complications and shorter length of stay than matched patients who received transfusions.”

  SURGEONS are being urged to cut their use of blood transfusions, with experts saying the life-saving but risky procedure is being used unnecessarily. Rates of blood transfusion use differ noticeably between surgeons, and research indicates some are not careful enough to ensure patients don't bleed unnecessarily during surgery. James Isbister, a professor from the University of Sydney's medical school, said some doctors were using blood transfusions too freely because they believed them to be benign. "If [blood transfusion] is not used appropriately it's got more possible complications than other therapies because you are basically doing a transplant," he said. "We have talked about alternatives to transplants for years but … a lot of alternatives shouldn't be alternatives - stopping a patient bleeding is not an 'alternative'." Hospital patients who are Jehovah's Witnesses - who refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds - actually do better than other patients. Professor Isbister said Jehovah's Witnesses were given better treatment by doctors trying to preserve their blood. As a result they had better survival rates, and shorter hospital and intensive care stays than people who received blood transfusions during surgery. Studies comparing surgeons have found some used transfusions in only 10 per cent of patients, while others used them in 80 per cent of cases. Blood transfusions put stress on the lungs and can cause lung injury and organ failure, as well as potentially having long-term consequences, although the reason is unknown. On Sunday, Professor Isbister addressed the scientific congress of the Australian Society of Anaesthetists about the issue. He said it was also important for patients to consult their GPs before surgery to ensure they had a healthy blood count. In 2012-13 governments will spend more than $1 billion on blood and blood-related products, according to the National Blood Authority. Its general manager, Leigh McJames, said while transfusions can be life-saving, evidence showed up to 20 per cent of them could be unnecessary in some patient groups. Correction: Due to an editing error, an earlier version of this article incorrectly said Christians were given better treatment by doctors.
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  New Pattern regarding Science in the Awake

  by konceptual99 in

  1. watchtower
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  reading the first couple of awakes for 2013 i think there is a pattern developing.. they have the regular "could it have happened by chance" article on something amazing in nature but they are also interviewing a scientist who is also a witness.

  this is a pretty interesting tack on a number of levels.. firstly it is sending out the implicit message that "look, this educated person accepts creation, the flood and every other account that is at odds with generally accepted science, so that should give you confidence that you are right as well".

  secondly, as a magazine designed for public comsumption is suggests to non-witnesses that there are many well educated people who accept the bible.

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  X-linking here.
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  Dec.21st and the countdown to the Mayan Apocalypse

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. current

  december 21 marks the winter solstice and the end of a cycle called the 13th b'ak'tun.. 1.will we see a few who want to join the celestial parade ala those who wanted to hop on a comet a few years ago.. 2.should koolaid and vodka be banned dec. 20th.. 3.will the wt.

  come out with an article making fun of those who 'falsely predict the end of the world' .

  i'll take bets on #3.

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  bats in the belfry

  Would that be Dec 21st EST or GMT ? Neither. It's UTC.
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  Who is supposed to do the "Separating Work" for the new magazines?

  by nochoice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, there is a bit of a fight going on in our hall between our pioneer sisters and our magazine servant.

  since the new magazines are boxed with two issues together, there is a bit of work to be done separating them.

  our magazine servant stacked them on the counter as usual, right out of the box.

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  bats in the belfry

  wha happened? >>

  They make jobs out of useless duties and label them priviledges

  This is so true.

  Their doctrinal mouthpieces The Watchtower and Our Kingdom Ministry just thrives
  on the word combinations of privilege / privileges / privileged.

  The Watchtower: 5.848 counts
  Our Kingdom Ministry: 780 counts

  compared to their Bible

  The NW Translation: 10 counts (incl. appendix)

  The WTBTS gives the people what they want: Privileges
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  Well we can shoot down one rumor - the 2013 district conventions are officially 3 days long...

  by sir82 in

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  ...according to a letter to all boes dated 11/11/2012.. there is nothing new or different (or interesting!

  ) in the letter.

  same stuff as has been covered over the past 20+ years.. .

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  bats in the belfry

  The WTBTS used to announce the location of their DCs in the mags. Now you only will find them online.

  In 2012 most conventions in Germany were booked in large soccer stadiums. In 2013 all venues will be smaller, 9 being in assembly halls, 12 will be in skating rink type places. - Three days though.